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中国和蒙古国,谎言与诅咒笼罩下的真实关系(2)

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进入蒙古国,转了几天,听到、看到、体会到的,中国与蒙古国的关系不是一般的紧张,而是非常紧张。

这是一个很有趣的问题,作为一个来自蒙古国的蒙古人,我不认为每个蒙古人都真正的恨中国人(汉) 但是,在蒙古这里有一个非常非常强烈的厌恶中国人和这个的情绪,我想有几个重要的原因

1. Historical – The Mongolians and northern nomads fought the Chinese for several thousand of years. The testamony of this the Great Wall of China, 2000 years old, 6000 miles long structure. While the Chinese are proud of the Wall as a great symbol of China’s engineering efforts, the Mongolians regard it as the ultimate symbol of the Mongolian power and dominance, and the clear proof of Chinese defeat and humiliations at the hands of Mongolians for thousands of years. As an old Mongolian idiom says: The Chinese love to say “we are the greatest nation on earth because we built the greatest building on earth – the great wall. The Mongolians love to say “we are even greater than the Chinese because we forced them to build the greatest building on earth – the great wall”.

2. Cultural – The Mongolians always were nomadic horsemen, hunters, and warriors, whereas the Chinese were always rice and vegetable farmers. From here, there is an ultimate culture clush – the clush of civilizations for thousands of years.

3. Political – China now occupies and colonizes a one-half of the historic Mongolian land north of the Great Wall. This includes Southern Mongolia (so called Inner Mongolia in China – we do not use this term because this is actually Manchurian term), Bayan-gol and Bortal provinces in Xinjiang, northern Gansu, Northern and western Heilongjiang, Western Jilin, and Western and northern Liaoning in China. The historic border between Mongolia and manchuria, on the one hand, and China, on the other hand, is the Great Wall. The land north of the Great wall belongs to Northern peoples. The land south of the Great wall is the historic Chinese land.

4. Anthropological – Mongolians belong to the Altaic group of peoples both genetically and linguistically. We are related to various turkish peoples, tungusic peoples like Manchurians, and Koreans, and northern Japanese (not all Japanese). Mongolians think we have nothing to do with Chinese who are related to Malay-Polinesian peoples in the South Pacific.

These are reasons why there is a strong dislike of Chinese in Mongolia. In fact, in my view, many peoples in Asia dislike Chinese. So, this is not only a Mongolian phenomenon. I do not know why other peoples in Asia dislike Chinese.

1.历史— 蒙古人和北方游牧人和中国人战斗了几千年。这个阻断中国长城2000年之久,6000里长的建筑.当中国人对这个中国工程杰作的象征感到骄傲的时候,蒙古人认为这是蒙古人力量和统治力的最强有力的象征,这清楚的表面中国人在蒙古人手里被击败和羞辱了上千年。就像一个蒙古格言说的:中国人喜欢说”我们是地球上最伟大的国家因为我们建了地球上最伟大的建筑,长城。蒙古人喜欢说“我们比中国人更伟大因为我们强迫他们建了地球上最伟大建筑长城”

2 文化–蒙古人永远都是游牧的牧马人,猎人和战士。中国人永远都是吃米和种菜的农民。这是一个终极的文化冲突–上千年的文明冲突

3 政治- 中国现在占领和殖民长城以北一半的历史上蒙古人的土地 这包括了南蒙古(就是中国所谓的内蒙古-我们不用这个名字因为这是一个满族人措词),xj的巴彦沟 和 Bortal,北甘肃,黑龙江的西部和北部,吉林的西部,辽宁的西部和北部。蒙古人和满族的历史上边界是一回事,至于中国,那是另外一回事,是长城。长城北边的土地属于北方人,长城南边的土地是中国人的历史土地

4 人类学- 蒙古人从基因和语言上属于阿尔泰系,我们和多种多样的突厥系,通古斯人比如满族,韩国人,北方日本人(不是所有的日本人)有关联。蒙古人认为我们和中国人没有任何关系,中国人和南太平洋的马来-波尼西亚人有关联

这就是在蒙古有强烈憎恨中国人情绪的原因,就我的个人观点,很多亚洲人都不喜欢中国人,这不仅仅是蒙古的现象,我不知道亚洲其他国家的人为什么不喜欢中国人

Of course, all Mongolians including me dislike Manchu because of the Qing colonization. That does not mean to deny a scientific fact – eastern Mongolians in particular, buryats and bargas are genetically related to Manchus. This has been shown by genetics scholars at Britain’s prestigious Oxford University.

I am Mongolian, and I do not need to be anyone else except my-self. Yes, as a Mongolian, I have respect and affinity towards Altaic peoples like Koreans, Japanese and Turkish peoples.

当然,包括我在内所有的蒙古人因为清朝的殖皿煮义不喜欢满族,但是这不意味着否定一个科学事实— 尤其是东蒙古人,布鲁亚特人(现在生活在俄罗斯境内的蒙古人的称谓)还有巴尔虎人(历史上专指大兴安岭以西广阔的草原地区,也称呼伦贝尔)在基因上和满族人有关。这已经被有名望的英国牛津大学基因学者展示过。

我是蒙古人,我不需要成为除了我之外的任何人。是的 ,作为一个蒙古人,我尊重并且亲近阿尔泰系人比如韩国人,日本人 还有突厥系人

Yes, I agree. There is a huge debate among scholars about the Altaic group of languages. In fact, there are many debates about many different languages. This is natural. Nonetheless, scholars agree that Mongolian, Turkish languages and Tungusic languages are closer to each other than to the Chinese-Burmese languages. Besides, this so-called Altaic people is more of an identity rather than linguistic or genetic groupings. As long as peoples regard them-selves as Altaic that is more important than anything else.

是的,我同意,现在学者中对阿尔泰语族有很大的争论。实际上,对于不同的语言有很多争论。这是自然的。尽管如此,学者们同意蒙古语,突厥语和通古斯语与汉缅语系相比是更加相近的语言。除此之外,所谓的阿尔泰人更是身份的象征,而不是语言或者基因。只要人们认为他们自己是属于阿尔泰系,这比什么都重要

Judging by your postings, you are not very intelligent or educated. Yes, today, it is very hard to reclaim our land and free our people from Chinese colonization. But you never know. Things always change. There might a chance to get back our land and people. Who could imagined, say, in 1970, the mighty Soviet Union very disappear. We Mongolians should just wait patiently. And, the Chinese are not fighting nation. The Chinese enevr ever won any major war. The Chinese were always the loser in wars even the numerical proportion gave them a huge advantages. Remember 13 century.

现在才从中国殖皿煮义手里收复我们的土地和解放我们的人们很难,但是你永远不知道,事情总是变化的。这或许有个机会收复我们的土地和人民。在1970年,谁能想象强大的苏联会消失,我们蒙古人只是耐心的等待,还有你们中国人不是战斗的民族,中国人从没有赢得任何主要的战争,中国人在人数较多的优势的时候总是失败,记住13世纪

Yes, this is the challenge. If a miracle happens, and Southern Mongolia is united with Mongolia proper, what to do with 16 million Han Chinese in Southern Mongolia. The Mongolian population of the united Mongolia will be only 7.5-8 million (3 million from Mongolia and plus 4.5 million from Southern Mongolia). Therefore, this will be a real pain. However, there is an international law – the 1961 Geneva convention on colonized countries, land and peoples, that allows the freed nation (in this case, Southern Mongolia becomes a part of Mongolia) to declare all the Han Chinese as illegal immigrants, and send them back them to their motherland (south of the Great wall) by all means including force. However, a probability of this is very low at the moment. Before this happens, many things should happen – for example, PLA is defeated by US, Japan or Russian Army in war over Taiwan or something. Nevertheless, as an old Mongolian idiom says – The dream dies last! If we look back at history, divided nations always get united ultimately if we keep strong will and courage. The great examples are united Vietnam, united Germany and others. I hope after 2 Koreas get united, it will be Mongolia that is united.

是的,这是一个挑战,如果奇迹发生,南蒙古被蒙古兼并,对于南蒙古的1600万中国人会发生什么。蒙古人在统一的蒙古只有750-800万人。(蒙古的3百万和南蒙古的450万蒙古人)因此,这是个真正的痛苦,1961年日内瓦关于殖民地国家的公约,领土和人民,允许民族解放(在南蒙古被成为蒙古国一部分的情况下)宣布所有的汉人是非法移民,用所有的方法包括暴力送他们回到他们的故土(长城以南)。然而,在现在的情况下,这个可能性很低。在这些发生之前,很多事情会发生—举个例子,中国人民解放军在台湾问题活其他事情上被美国,日本或者俄国击败。然而,就像一个古老蒙古格言说的—梦想永远不会死。如果我们回头看历史,如果我们保持足够的意愿和勇气,被分开的国家总是最终统一。最大的例子是统一的越南,统一的德国,我希望两个朝鲜统一,就像我希望蒙古统一一样

It is very unfortunate and dangerous that fast growing China is full of people like you – uneducated, unsophisticated and emotionally unstable. This is why the whole world including the most powerful country like USA, and all of China’s neighbors including Mongolia is very anxious of so-called peaceful rise of China. China is perceived as a threat to the world peace and security.

I strongly recommend you to read Jiang Rong’s best selling novel “Wolf totem”. Judging by your posting, you may not be aware that this book is the best seller ever in Chinese history (save Mao’s little red book during the cultural revolution) and it is being translated inot 60 languages. Professor Lu Jiamin (his real name) argues that the Chinese rice farming peasant culture turns the Chinese people into selfish and scared sheeps whereas the Mongolian horse-based herder and hunter culture turns Mongolians into brave and ruthless wolfs. This is not my word. But the words of the most successful novelist in Chinese history. After that we can debate about who is animal and who is human, and who deserves controls, rescrictions, and zoos, and who deserves freedom and democracy.

很不幸和危险快速增长的中国人没有受过教育,天真,情绪不稳定。这就是为什么世界包括强大的国家如美国和包括蒙古在内的所有的中国邻居对所谓的和平崛起非常焦虑。中国是对世界和平和安全的危险

我强烈建议你读姜戎最好卖的小说“狼图腾” 你或许没有意识到这甚至是中国历史上最畅销的书(救救文化革命时期毛的小红书 (反讽))它被翻译成60种语言。吕嘉民教授(姜戎的真名)认为中国人稻作农业文明让中国人成为自私和胆怯的绵羊,然而蒙古马为基础的牧人和猎人文化让蒙古人成为勇敢和无情的狼。这不是我说的话,这是中国历史上最成功的小说家说的。现在我们能讨论谁是动物谁是人类,谁应该被控制,遏制,进动物园,谁应该得到皿煮和自由。

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